Do Human Work

Season Two of Do Human Work opens with Jatarra Warren, Senior Director of Information Security at Lovesac, tracing her journey from teaching soldiers how to trust battlefield communication systems in the Army National Guard, straight into cybersecurity leadership. 
Ninety days into her new role, she talks candidly about the humility-and-confidence balance required to lead a team you don't yet fully understand, why AI is forcing security teams to finally fix the foundations they've been skipping, and why fighting AI-driven attackers still comes down to the same basic controls that mattered a decade ago. 
She's also a certified life coach, and makes the case that coaching, not code, is the skill security leaders need most right now. It's a reminder that in security, the hardest skill to automate is still the ability to lead people through change.
Impactful Moments: 
00:00 – Introduction01:25 – Why season two: rethinking cybersecurity from the foundations up01:55 – Meet Jatarra Warren, Senior Director of Information Security at Lovesac02:30 – The Foundation segment: Jatarra’s origin story from Army National Guard to cyber04:00 – What teaching soldiers to trust life-or-death tech taught her about security07:50 – The hardest jump: military discipline meets corporate culture shock10:50 – Why AI won't remove the human element from security12:20 – Fighting fire with fire: using AI to counter AI-powered attackers17:00 – PLAID (People-Led AI Driven) and leading teams through change with empathy18:40 – Mythos, vulnerability management, and getting the basics right first23:00 – 90 days into Jatarra’s job at Lovesac: leading new territory with humility and confidence30:15 – Life coaching, ministry roots, and leadership as influence34:00 – Lightning round: best security book everyone should read, best Tampa food, and couch vs. desk
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Most security teams are still betting that hygiene problems and AI-scale problems live in separate categories. Nicole Beckwith, Senior Director of Security Engineering and Operations at Cribl, has seen exactly how that bet goes wrong from the inside.
Nate and Lior caught up with Nicole to talk about why the basics still break organizations faster than any AI threat, what it actually takes to secure AI agents as identities rather than tools, and where defenders are quietly getting ahead of attackers for the first time in years. 
Organizations are racing to get ahead of AI-driven threats while the thing that actually takes most of them down is something mundane: a stale account, a siloed team, or a SIEM nobody's feeding properly. AI doesn't replace the need for fundamentals, it raises the stakes of skipping them, and Nicole has the breach story to prove it. 
Impactful Moments: 00:00 – Introduction02:30 – Nicole Beckwith joins Do Human Work06:30 – Why Mythos is a canary in the coal mine09:50 – The Register story: a city water utility's ransomware breach15:00 – Why AI agents need identity security like any employee17:40 – Shadow AI: the new shadow IT problem22:05 – The Cribl/7AI feedback loop and building together27:30 – Where defenders are getting ahead29:35 – Breaking SOC silos: intelligence, hunting, and response as one cycle32:00 – The "push-button forensic analyst" problem, and AI's version of it33:30 – Trust, verify, and interrogate: working with an AI investigator37:40 – The magic wand question: what Nicole would do with 25% more time39:20 – Lightning round questions with Nicole Beckwith
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When Claude Mythos dropped, the question wasn't whether AI could find vulnerabilities, it was whether defenders would move faster than the attackers who were already racing toward the same capability. The gap between those two timelines is shrinking faster than most organizations want to admit, and the teams still betting on the old playbook are about to find out what that costs.
Nate and Lior sat down with Mark-David McLaughlin, Head of Security Architecture and Engineering at InterSystems, whose software quietly powers hospitals, health systems, and critical infrastructure worldwide. Mark-David came up through software engineering at Cisco, a decade in PSIRT handling incidents when things went badly wrong, and now leads product security for one of the most sensitive industries on the planet. 
His take on what AI actually changes is grounded in 20+ years of hard lessons, and at least one story that will make you rethink how much you trust your SOC.
Impactful Moments:00:00 – Introduction03:00 – Mark-David’s origin story: high school pranks, real consequences07:00 – How incident response is changing where AI is being introduced08:00 – We're losing the architecture review to AI13:10 – The bad guys will have this new technology in months, act now17:00 – The SOC model won't carry us to the future19:50 – Ransomware, nation-states, and kinetic-cyber fusion25:30 – If anyone goes onto a web interface in 5 years, we’ve done our jobs wrong31:00 – How AI almost framed an innocent developer34:30 – How your team will change as a software architecture company with AI 41:30 – Why healthcare is uniquely hard to secure47:30 – Rapid fire questions with Mark-David
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Breakout time has collapsed from 285 minutes to 17 seconds. Attackers are running orchestration agents around the clock while defenders are still scheduling a meeting about it. 
Brian Fricke, CISO at AutoNation, has done something rare. He's built security programs from the ground up four times across the military, government, and heavily regulated financial institutions. He joins Nate and Lior, live from RSAC, to break down the governance mistake almost every organization is making with AI agents right now, and what a risk-tiered framework actually looks like in practice.
Impactful Moments: 00:00 – Introduction01:00 – Brian's background: four programs built from scratch05:10 – Why bad guys don't have a human-in-the-loop problem08:00 – How to structure an information security program: the full framework11:50 – Not everything needs AI: the case for deterministic automation15:00 – The four agent types and why risk tiering matters for governance19:00 – Why vendors should start agents in read-only mode and earn trust20:50 – People on the loop, not in the loop30:00 – Attackers are running at machine speed, defenders are running at meeting speed33:00 – The inflection point: finding attacks no other tool caught38:40 – Unpopular opinion: CISOs would make the best CIOs41:00 – What security teams look like in the future: upscaling with the next agents
 
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The cybersecurity industry has spent decades throwing bodies at the same three problems: too much noise, not enough context, and not enough budget. AI didn't create those problems, but it's about to make ignoring them dangerous.
Recorded at RSAC Conference 2026, Nate and Lior sat down with Anthony LaForte, Director of Cyber Operations at an HR and benefits tech company protecting the financial and health data of millions. Anthony came up through forensics, malware reverse engineering, and SOC leadership at McKesson, where a mentor told him on day one that a wrong move here means someone dies. That reality never left him, and it shapes everything about how he thinks about security, risk, and what it means to lead in a world where attackers are automating faster than defenders can adapt.
Impactful Moments:00:00 – Introduction03:22 – Attacker mindset shapes every decision05:00 – AI lowers attacker barriers, raises ours10:18 – "If you screw up, people die"11:45 – 200,000 alerts tuned down manually15:10 – 800 alerts, one real threat hidden inside17:00 – Vulnerability management is broken everywhere22:10 – Security was a point-in-time decision27:45 – Strategy and judgment belong to humans34:20 – 25% back? He'd mentor his team42:05 – "I don't think there'll be a SOC in five years"
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302 days ago we launched from stealth with a belief that sounded almost reckless: that AI agents could do the repetitive security work that burns out defenders and buries teams in false positives.Today we're announcing that 7AI has raised a $130 million Series A led by Index Ventures, with Blackstone joining as a new investor alongside Greylock, CRV, and Spark.To mark this milestone, we recorded a special episode of the DO HUMAN WORK podcast with Lior Div (CEO & Co-Founder) and Yonatan Striem Amit (CTO & Co-Founder). In this episode, they share what this announcement truly means, not just for 7AI, but for customers and for security teams everywhere.
Impactful Moments:00:00 – Introduction01:00 – 7AI secures $130 million Series A02:30 – The impact of investor belief03:00 – Industry-first: AI's reliability in cybersecurity05:00 – Trusting AI for consistent outcomes07:00 – What is the Plaid Model?09:30 – Fighting AI threats with AI solutions11:00 – Advancing security from human work to AI-driven operations14:00 – Future-proofing with federated data16:00 – Elevating security teams with AI-driven investigations
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Most cybersecurity conversations obsess over tools, threats, and tech. But what if the real evolution is happening in the human layer, a shift most in the industry aren’t used to seeing?
In this episode, BISO and industry voice Olivia Phillips join Nate and Lior to redefine what effective security leadership looks like in the age of AI. Olivia shares insights from behavioral science, organizational psychology, and decades of cyber experience, revealing why influence without authority, real transparency, and emotional intelligence are now core cybersecurity capabilities. She also discusses the future impact of quantum, the shift toward value-driven security investments, and why trust is earned, not given.
Impactful Moments:00:00 — Introduction01:00 — What is a BISO03:00 — AI, quantum, and the next era05:30 — Building influence without authority09:00 — Security ROI: “Show me the value”11:00 — Ego, communication, and human dynamics14:00 — Trust: hard to earn, easy to lose17:00 — How real AI adoption happens22:00 — If Olivia got 25% of her time back29:00 — Transparency, feedback, and leadership growth34:00 — Chaos, creativity, and the “cyber misfit” mindset
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How is AI reshaping the cybersecurity landscape, and what does this mean for the future of cyber professionals? In this episode, Nate Burke and Lior Div sit down with Ron Eddings, a gen AI security researcher and co-founder and CEO of Hacker Valley Media, to explore these pressing questions. Ron discusses his journey from a traditional cybersecurity role to becoming a thought leader and content creator focused on the confluence of humanity and technology. The conversation delves into Ron’s belief that AI will one day replace many cybersecurity roles, but not without creating opportunities for new, more strategic positions. They also explore the notion of AI agents, multi-agents, and the potential magic of a model context protocol.
Throughout the episode, Ron offers insights into how AI can eliminate repetitive, non-human tasks, freeing up time for creativity and strategic thinking. He elaborates on his contrarian belief in the capacity of AI to eventually overhaul cybersecurity jobs, for the better. Together, the hosts and Ron reflect on how the integration of AI in cybersecurity will redefine the way we talk, train, and work in this field.
Impactful Moments:00:00 – Introduction01:00 – Ron’s mission in cybersecurity content02:00 – From mental athlete to thought leader03:00 – Creating a platform, not just a podcast07:00 – AI’s impact on Tier One analysts10:00 – AI agents explained through a personal story12:00 – The evolution to multi-agent systems15:00 – Real-time data challenges in AI development24:00 – Providing exceptional value in the experience age25:00 – Contemplating the future: AI to replace cybersecurity jobs
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In this episode of Do Human Work, Nate Burke and Lior Div sit down with Dirce Hernandez, Sr. Cybersecurity GRC Manager and adjunct professor, to demystify AI governance beyond the buzzwords. From defining governance in plain language to setting practical guardrails like policies, steering groups, and human-in-the-loop reviews, Dirce shares how organizations can innovate without risking shadow AI, data leakage, or checkbox compliance.
He also digs into higher ed’s adoption curve, how explainability is becoming non-negotiable with regulators, and why leadership buy-in beats tool sprawl. Plus: actionable career advice for students and pros alike, evolving certifications (CCSK and beyond), and how AI can supercharge upskilling paths without replacing human judgment.
Impactful Moments
00:00 – Defining real AI governance02:15 – Why tech alone can’t solve it05:30 – Guardrails begin with clear policy07:05 – The role of human-in-the-loop09:40 – Explainability meets regulation12:50 – Leadership buy-in before implementation15:10 – Building trust beyond checkbox compliance18:00 – Mentoring to close the talent gap19:20 – AI accelerating upskilling in cybersecurity26:10 – Certifications and GRC evolve for the AI era
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In this episode of Do Human Work, Nate Burke and Lior Div welcome Wayman Cummings, the Chief Information Security Officer at Ochsner Health Systems, to discuss the revolutionary role of AI in cybersecurity. From pioneering the use of robots at the Super Bowl to insights on mentoring diverse teams, Wayman shares his vision for AI as an enabler of human potential. The episode explores how he integrates AI into cybersecurity practices to empower defenders and why he believes in choosing partners over vendors for collaborative success.
Wayman also provides a unique perspective on hiring practices that could transform cybersecurity teams, focusing on unconventional backgrounds and innate problem-solving abilities rather than traditional experience. As AI continues to reshape industries, Wayman envisions a future where technology works hand-in-hand with human ingenuity, creating powerful synergies and new opportunities for growth.
 
Impactful Moments:
00:00 – Introduction01:20 – Augmented intelligence at the Super Bowl02:45 – AI in cybersecurity threats and defense05:55 – Partnership over vendors in tech08:10 – Unconventional hiring practices10:30 – Applying unique analyst skills12:45 – AI's role in understanding threats18:05 – Predictive analysis using AI22:30 – Unreasonable hospitality in healthcare25:00 – The future of AI and human collaboration27:20 – Humility and communication for aspiring CISOs
 
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